crestie hybrids

[saint]

so I was at one of the pet stores I frquent and the owner was there, when he see's me he says, hey since last time I saw you, you really turned me onto cresteds and rhacs in general, so I got 2 leachies (grande terre) 6 cresties and 4 gargs. well we keep talking rhacs and he says "I want to make a crestie garg hybrid, I'm going to try a female garg or 2 with a crestie male and see what happens". I stood there kinda shocked and said yeah cool, while thinkin this doesn't sound like a great idea, I think the gargs would try and kill the crestie, then he says " I want the crests with gargoyle horns and colors, I think I'll use reticulated" so whats everyone think? I've never heard of this crossbreed, only crestoua's, could a sarasin be crossbred with either? ( I know none of this would ever happen in the wild but would they be viable or sterile like a mule?) and no I'm not advocating crosses, but just curious

[that_girl]

As far as I know, it doesn't work. I believe sara and crested works.

I really don't get why people want to make hybrids. The market is already saturated with purebred animals.

[LotusCrested]

Are you saying he wants to do a triple cross? I don't even know if that would be plausible. I think there would be a lot of problems with dom and undom genetics.

[Severa]

Auric X Ciliatus hasn't been done. As most of you know, even a male gargoyle has a hard time breeding to a female garg due to her aggression. A crestie male would not stand a chance in most circumstances. I feel for the crestie male that he puts in with two gargoyle females. Their enclosure could turn into a cage match in no time. It will all start with some nips and the eventual loss of the male's tail. If he doesn't seperate them after that, the male will become reclusive and stressed and not eat. I am speculating but I can see how it would be especially with 2 female gargs in there.

NO ONE could even begin to guess what a Auric X Crestie offspring would look like. I have to admit though, I constantly battle with myself over the hybrid debate and my curiosity is killing me. I would love to see what it would look like so I cannot jump an the hybrid haters band wagon. On the other hand, I would hate to see new color morphs popping up from dishonest breeders and I would fear that the specie blood on the market would become tainted. I may be over reacting a bit but its just a thought.

I have a hard enough time coming to terms with locale mixing with leachie's as it is. Here they are again, on the mere brink of extinction due to the introduction of rats and ants on New Caledonia. Extinction seems inevitable...once again. The extraction of Leachianus was done in few numbers, but for us to dabble in their blood, we had to cross locales in order to work with a wider spectrum of blood to prevent abnormalities possibly due to in-breeding. Isn't this correct?

So, in 20 years when Mt. Konghis is extinct on the island, will there truly be a pure blood Mt. Konghis blood line in captivity or will it be mixed with another locale.

I don't mean to sound negative or really controdictory and I point the finger at NO ONE. I am glad to even be able to work with Rhacs but where we are taking the blood on an animal who will one day only exist in captivity leaves much to be concerned about.

[saint]

no he just wants a crestie garg mix not a triple, I'm just curious if they'd be viable or sterile. i think it'd be pretty cool to see but I don't know, seems weird. kind of a cool expirement though.

[M.Yatesomaha]

Its been discussed here on the forums before... As far as I know its never been done(though I believe there was a pic that surfaced a while back resembling a GargxCrested)
I think that It would be cool if it was kept by the breeder for his/her own purposes.Though I don't believe it would be a good I dea on the market because one could breed it not knowing its true origins

[Salzy]

R.ciliatus and R.auriculatus crosses have not been done before. I've heard of a few people trying it, and probably lots more out there I haven't heard about, but so far nobody has had it work. I don't like the idea of crossing two species in the first place, but locales/bloodlines I have no problem with. (That's another topic though that isn't relevant to this thread)

I really think that Severa hits the nail on the head with this one...that it's too risky to even have female gargoyles with a male crested. People are just asking for trouble, and it's not a wise thing to do if you have the health of your animals in mind.

[saint]

and wouldn't it be pretty much the same, like a male garg with female cresties, it would rip them up, like take tails etc.

[RhacAddict]

Yes. Gargs of any sex don't play well with others. The males during breeding are usually just focused on breeding that the females generally get the better side of them lol.

[dcarter]

I do not support hybrid mixes at all. First of all once we accept this notion we will open up a whole new can of worms. Of course people will dishonestly or unknowingly sell them with a whole captive bred pure bloodline at risk. Why breed two animals who can then not mate and produce offspring? This is breeding a species that could never naturally survive in the wild, and while I understand they are not in the wild and captive bred how is that still the right thing do? To each their own, and yes some crestouas are cute, but they are equally as cute as two separate species.