I located a GT M khogis Dark morph and am about to pull the trigger but

[jklar350]

After reading about all the crosses and seeing pictures that dont quite match up to the claims i.e a GT that looks like an island e cross, I want to know if any experienced keepers out there have ever bought from Grey parrot? The facility and pics on the website look like cf mt. khogis that show up on Phillips or Allens site but I just want to make sure. I feel lucky to have found one for sale and want to know if the breeders claim that they can get 14-15 inches can be confirmed by someone who has kept this species. Its really hard to imagine a gecko that looks like my full grown island e but is twice the size. If this is true im in at 850! Can someone post a pic that actually shows a full grown male against a tape measure showing the realized size potential of this species I am yet to see it

Thanx

[mike]

I have never dealt with them before, so I can't comment on that, but I do know they have been around for a while, that doesn't necessarily mean anything either though.

The best way to be sure is just to ask them if they can trace it back, if they can trace back the lineage and it is pure as far back as they can go, then you should be ok, but just about anyone on here will tell you that a picture of a Leachianus is an educated guess at best. I mean Allen or Phillipe could probably give you the best idea, but even still in the past I believe they have both mentioned that a picture proves next to nothing without knowing the exact lineage and whether or not they were cross bred at any point.

That is unfortunately the problem with Leachis, a lot of cross breeding takes place, and a lot of hobbyists/breeders simply don't keep track of it and after a while it becomes a guessing game. I would venture to guess that this was the motivation for Allen to work extensively on his Leachianus project, to help out hobbyists and breeders alike in keeping accurate records of what is going on with their Leachianus to help put an end to all the confusion.

I would advise you to reconsider the purchase if they cannot prove to you that it is pure, especially if you are paying the price for a pure GT, which most likely isn't cheap.

Just my opinion though.

[jklar350]

Its the cheapest price ive seen so far for a dark morph. Phillipe has them listed for the same price sexed as a female? I emailed him about getting some but he didn't respond. I saw a subadult on kingsnake go for 1800 and some other dark morphs on some other rachodactylus site being sold for 1200! I just got a pic of a yearling at ten inches ill post the pic if I can (i dont have a website but if I can just attach a photo ill do it. I have a two year henkeli that is 7 inches so ten inches at a year I think sets it apart as a true GT? thanx for your response

[mike]

Phillipe is a very busy guy, but he is generally good about returning e-mails when he gets to them, at least in my experience.

As far as the size difference, that is certainly no indication that it is a true GT, I would consider that pretty much irrelevant in determining the locale, like I said, the only way you are ever going to know 100% is if you can trace back the lineage, otherwise it's a best guess, and I certainly wouldn't dish out $1200-$1800 unless I knew without a doubt that I was getting exactly what I was paying for.

Personally I am just very cautious about that kind of thing, and I think any serious hobbyist should be as well, an animal like that is an investment in my eyes and I simply would not invest in something that gave me any doubt in my mind.

Don't buy it because it's the best price, I'd rather shell out the extra $600 on a sure thing, and people like Allen and Phillipe would be a safe choice in providing you with a sure thing.

[tennisbunny]

To ad to the list, I would add SteveC153 from this forum. He has kept excellent records on all his breeders and can trace their lineage. If he is not sure of purity, he will let you know. I would give him a call (201-406-6655) or drop him an email (aquatech@optonline.net). So far I have his Nuu Ana, Nuu Ami, Isle E, Pine Island females and a male Mt. Humboldt (GT). He has them all!

[bleeding_sarcasm]

Mike Is a good guy, I have a Leachie I bought from a local guy that he produced, and tho it doesnt really look like a bayonaise, he is really a beautiful gecko.

I contacted him to verify that he produced the gecko, and that it was in fact a bayoniase, and he got back to me very quickly and had nothing but good things to say about the guy that I bought them from.

http://dirtystinkystuff.com/pictures/new/daddyb1.jpg

[Luc]

I have a Leachie I bought from a local guy that he produced, and tho it doesnt really look like a bayonaise, he is really a beautiful gecko.

I have asked this before but no one ever answered me, what is the difference between an animal from bayonaise and one from Isle E ? I am from europe so I have only seen these locals on pic's and I don't see the big difference.

[Menhir]

I am from europe so I have only seen these locals on pic's and I don't see the big difference.

Imho, and I hope I don't do offend anyone, this is the same as with european vipers. There are some animals that do look typically like "these ones should look like" and these are the ones that are collected most of the time. Pairing two typically red and contrasty Skadar Lake Ammodytes will result in many typical looking animals and in some, that you could have catched everywhere in europe. My guess is, that this is just the same with leachianus. If I have a closer look at the high variability within the GT Mt Koghis light Morph animals I own and could have a look at, I'd be very surprised of one could really distingush all these localities for sure.